Power readings recorded in fifth or sixth gear are generally higher than those performed in fourth gear. Thread starter STjake; Start date Oct 22, 2016; S. STjake Member. When I dyno'd last year, I dyno'd in 3rd gear. +1 to 3rd gear being less intense on the transmission. Or sign in with one of these services. I've noticed some talk about how 4th gear will get slightly higher results and I think I understand why, but the place I'm going to says they do 3rd gear runs. If you dyno in 3rd you actually have a mechanical advantage that will cause the dyno to read higher. With mods on sig. 05-09-2007, 08:43 AM. So I have had Tom's car on the rollers and it just made 933 RWHP yesterday in 4th gear. Just because in 2nd gear, the torque actually applied to the wheels is greater than in 3rd or 4th gear, doesn't mean the dyno will read higher. It simply looks at the wheel speed versus engine RPM, calculates the correct gearing and displays the correct power output. Tunning in 5th usually give me this result. Dyno in 5th gear. Just watched a video of the new 335i pulling on a dyno. JavaScript is disabled. Going to the dyno on Saturday so I'd like to know. 4th will show the most accurate numbers. One guy had nitrous so I assumed that was the reason. For sale selector fork 4th and 5th gear for gearbox Ferrari Dino 206Gt and 246 series 1, original ,...,selector fork 4th and 5th gear for Ferrari Dino 206Gt and 246 in Karlsruhe - Karlsruhe I'm going to be visiting a dynamometer later this fall and wanted you guys' perspective if you have experience....is there any difference on our cars between testing it in 3rd gear vs. 4th? When I dyno'd last year, I dyno'd in 3rd gear. There was a 20rwhp difference between the two. Seems to me a pull to the rev limter in 4th would take so long, I mean thats like 170+ mph. I saw mention of this on charger forums too. I'm gonna go with the top reason being top speed - even with our short gearing I think I'm in the 180kmph plus range when I do a 4th gear pull. Fondy. JavaScript is disabled. HSVJPL. Dynos do not measure torque -- they measure horsepower, and calculate torque from that. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. If you ever look inside a T-5 you can see that in 4th gear there's less gear surface area then in 3rd, less friction equals more power. The behavior is close to what DLL showed on the X. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Forth gear is 1:1 but most tuners will use 3rd as they don't want to beat on your car too badly. There's also traction issues that can come from using lower gears, the lower the gear the more torque is generated at the wheels giving dynos a … Find helpful customer reviews and review ratings for OfficeSmartLabels - 9/16" x 3-7/16" 2-Up File Folder Labels, Compatible with Dymo 30277 (2 Rolls / 260 Labels Per Roll) at Amazon.com. Trying to measure torque would require more knowledge about the transmission and final drive ratios. Just had a thought, and thought I would share. I think that you'll find that most tuners agree, but whichever you choose you just want to ensure you choose it again in the future if you're ever measuring delta due to a modification. Although fourth gear has been the “de facto standard”, some dyno operators prefer to use fifth gear, and now 6th gear, which can distort comparisons. I was wondering if you guys (both NA and turbo) could post the difference between your 3rd and 4th gear dyno pulls. They have to calculate your torque to the rear wheels, and because 4th gear is 1:1, they don't need to calculate the trans gear into the mix. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you … Jeff is going on an actual dyno, not doing a v-dyno run. Unless the software just defaults to a 1:1 ratio, in which case using 4th would seem to be most accurate. Thanks a lot. BA autos are put in 3rd gear in manual mode and it will stay in 3rd until it is changed by the dyno operator after the run is complete. These pulls were done back to back with all variables being equal. I think SRT's are pulling in 4th and RT's are in 3rd. With our 3.06 rear, the car will go past 150mph every pull. The amount of time to spin up to full rpm and overall speeds are significantly higher in fourth, which ultimately is a significant heat difference. How is it then that so many people get higher readings of power in a higher gear? These pulls were done back to back with all variables being equal. But a few posts I've seen recently people said they dyno'd in 4th. Should I be dynoing in 4th instead? I see people all the time running in 3rd and I never understand why. 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-. The first shop did tw 4th gear pulls and then a single 3rd gear pull and the second shop just did three 3rd gear pulls. Every dyno is different though, our 4th gear braked run pulls can last up to 22 seconds, this isn't ideal for showing big numbers but does show how well the car copes under pressure. This make WOT 4th gear AFR a little richer which on dyno drops the numbers but running on dyno and running on street aren't same. well technically yes, but it’s a whole lot easier to do it if the gear selcted has a ratio close to 1:1. In 3rd its hits the limiter somewhere around 125. Also, a final drive ratio such as 3.15:1 will often show a higher power reading than a 3.37:1 ratio. A quote from AZGolf: "Most cars will dyno about the same in 3rd or 4th gear. I have never dynoed a car, but doesn't the operator have to enter in a bunch of parameters specific to the car in order to get an accurate reading? To start viewing messages, select the forum that you … same principle if you go dyno then put a diff gear in the rear end, the numbers should not change. His father Mikhail, a Soviet table tennis champion in 1982, moved his family to Germany shortly after Dimitrij was born. Sign in with Twitter Wouldn't first gear be your main gear in drag racing? really the only time it will make a difference is in a turbo car due to the way a taller gear will accel the engine slower(loading) allowing boost to be achieved. With very high powered turbo cars, there isn't enough load in the lower gears … 3rd gear produced more power than 4th gear; 158.51 hp in 3rd to 155.46 in 4th gear. UNICHIP equipped car. I think it would be pretty cool to know what you would dyno in all of your gears to see which one make the most power. When I dynoed it was only a difference of 2hp, but I'm NA. I've always been a firm believer in running whatever gear is as close to a 1:1 ratio as possible. Why are there only dynos is 3rd/4th gear? Errors and manipluations of variables on dynos, which is why the numbers you … It will be accelerated until it hits the rev limiter. Just had a thought, and thought I would share. If you ever look inside a T-5 you can see that in 4th gear there's less gear surface area then in 3rd, less friction equals more power. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Here is my SE-R in 3rd vs. 4th gear on another dynojet. As Rodrigo has said, using 4th gear allows more control, it also usually gives a 1:1 gear ratio so dyno figures are more accurate. Going to the dyno on Saturday so I'd like to know. Here is my old Evo 8 on TT's dyno with 3rd and 4th gear back to back. FYI, I have 4 dyno graphs of 3rd and 4th gear pulls. as far as an n/a motor goes, it should not matter. You must log in or register to reply here. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. I think it would be pretty cool to know what you would dyno in all of your gears to see which one make the most power. CY98Cobra New Member Established Member. To do this, you would need to purchase an Early 92 3rd gear, 4th gear, 3/4 hub and slider, 3/4 springs, 3/4 keys, 3/4 shift rail, 3/4 shift fork, and other misc. My advice is to simply choose one and stick with it. However, I would need to remove my speed limiter to run through 5th gear, and on my car, running it to redline in 5th would mean hitting 167mph or so on the rollers. Fiesta ST Forum is the premier Fiesta ST community. At least from my experience on the dyno. You must log in or register to reply here. I dynoed my car today. Ovtcharov won one silver and three bronze medals at the Olympics between 2008 and 2016. It'd still be cool to know what you dyno'd in first. Sign in with Facebook. I already did my dyno testing and have my boost levels set and so forth. I think it is doen to slow down the accleration of the tires so the dyno has time to take more data. I've done a set of 3rd gear and 4th gear pulls at two different shops. Day to day fluctuations can make just as big of a difference. The 3rd gear trace was 16 hp higher than the 4th gear trace. parts for the rebuild. 4th will show the most accurate numbers. Its best to get the tranni to autohold a gear, this way when you mash the pedal it wont downshift on you. What would happen if you dyno'd in first gear? At least with my Legacy twin turbo, max boost is not reached in the first 3 gears, and actually there is a slight difference between the max boost in 4th and 5th gear. 88 Upgrade to 5 Lug/Disc Brake Conversion Confirmation of Plan. Dimitrij Ovtcharov (Russian: Дмитрий Овчаров) or Dmytro Ovtcharov (Ukrainian: Дмитро Овчаров; born 2 September 1988) is a Ukrainian-born German table tennis player. Why 3rd gear dyno? Turbo Technics S280 Turbo Kit Dyno, Virtual Dyno, and Datalog Thread, looking for one San Jose Area owner interested in dyno testing, '19 Fiesta ST mods, plans, opinions (not a build per se). 3rd run - strapped and chocked to Dyno Dynamics specs - 4th gear = 250.9kw So using 3rd instead of 4th in my A6 made 6kw difference. I really think that with the gearing of the M3 that maybe 5th gear would be better for a dyno in this HP range. DYNOED IN 3rd OR 4th GEAR; If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. Ignoring the difference in numbers from the shops the dyno sheets display the same trends so I would say it makes no difference. I dunno. We offer one of the largest collection of Fiesta ST related news, gallery and technical articles. But a few posts I've seen recently people said they dyno'd in 4th. Presumably, the gear or gear ratio would be one of them, no? i know most people dyno in the gear that has a 1:1 ratio, but most of the time it is 4th. There's something wrong. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The final number came out to 276HP and 299ft/lbs...however, it makes me wonder which numbers they used, the pull in 3rd or in 4th. Read honest and unbiased product reviews from our users. In our cars that's 4th gear. The dyno pull in 4th gear is just way too short at this HP level. FYI, I have 4 dyno graphs of 3rd and 4th gear pulls. Closed course of course... At that speed you're covering some serious ground and not everyone has that open road to do it on. 4th is bad enough, I believe hitting somewhere around 130-140mph. You could not make a pull in first gear as the tires would not hold. 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